A much improved East
1. Boston Celtics. The only question is health. The bench is by far the deepest with Baby, Daniels, Sheed, House, Giddens, and Walker. This should give the Big Three a rest. Never mind if Garnett screaming in Sheldon Williams ear might awaken some potential. With them not losing any coaches and adding talent they clearly have the edge. Rondo should continue to emerge and Perkins continuing improvement to compliment the Three that is a dominant starting five. With no Garnett They won 62 games and pushed Orlando to 7. Only health can stop them from reclaiming the Beast in the East title.
2. Orlando Magic. This was a tough call. I do not like the switch from Turk to Vince Carter, but they still have a great Defensive scheme centered around Howard. Nelson being healthy will be key because without Hedo he will have to engineer the pick and roll offense that got Rashard Lewis open looks and Howard single coverage in the post. The team with Petrius and Reddick is loaded with shooters for their 3 point offense. The bench with Bass and Gortat is solid. Still I do not like Vince in this mix, but he always gets his stats.
3. Cleveland Cavs. The spector of will this be it for Lebron in Cleveland will effect the team. They were also not able to lure the talent the other two teams ahead of them were. They lost their defensive guru to a head coaching job. Moon and Parker will help the bench. I believe Powe is done (Hope I am wrong). Shaq was a terrible move. The aging slow footed Goliath will hinder Lebron's drives and Defensively he was a nonfactor for the past two years. To stop Howard they picked the wrong guy. Williams and West are nice complimentary players, but Cleveland again failed to sign a guy to run with Lebron. While the Celtics and Magic surrounded their star with other stars the Cavs failed again to do so and when Lebron runs out of gas in the playoffs again the end will be similar again.
4. Miami Heat. If Mike the Beast has his head on straight, Dwayne Wade has a running mate. O'Neal and Q Richardson will add some offensive punch. Chalmers and Cook should be a little better with another season under their belts. The Defense can be suspect at times. This team will not be an easy mark.
5. Atlanta Hawks. Bibby, Joe Johnson, Josh Smith, and Al Horford are a great unit. Add Zaza Pachulia, Maurice Evans, and Marvin Williams and a veteran Joe Smith and this is a solid team. The war between Josh Smith and Coach Woodson seems to hit the team every year. If they can all mix together this team could challenge for four or even three.
6. Washington Wizards. Caron Butler is under rated. The man can score. Jamison, a healthy Arenas, and Randy Foye make this a dangerous offensive team. Flip Saunders should be a decent coach, but will need to figure out a defensive scheme his players will buy into. The bench with Mike Miller and Nic Young has some scoring. Easily the most improved team in terms of wins next year.
7. Toronto Raptors. Turk was a great pick up. He should help Bosh with a pick and pop offense. Jose Calderon is a solid PG. Andrea Bargnani should be better with another year. Jack was a nice addition, but they need some D and Bench help.
8. Chicago Bulls. Rose is the real deal. They lost Gordon, but still have Hinrich, Noah, Thomas, Miller, Deng healthy, and Salmons. Defense must be stressed and the outside shooting from Salmons and Hinrich must continue, but Rose is a stud that will drive the offensive engine.
9. Detroit Pistons. They got got Gordon and Charlie V. Add that to Rip, Prince, Stuckey, and Maxiell and that is a solid team. Their new coach stresses D and has great pieces to work with. The Bench is weak and they are a new mix. However, I would not be surprised to see them sneak in.
10. Philly Sixers. Andre I is a machine. The man can score. If Elton Brand can be healthy and mix that is quite a 1 2 punch. Can Louis Williams take over for Andre Miller?? I think so. Thaddeus Young and Dalembert are not bad complimentary pieces, but the bench is awful and D is suspect.
11. New Jersey Nets. Devin Harris, Courtney Lee, Yi, Lopez and Alston are a nice mix. The young players should play better with more shots now that Vince is gone. Lee is also a great Defender. However, they do not have the talent to hang for a playoff spot.
12. New York Knicks. Team is full of question marks. David Lee??? Nate Robinson??? Sessions??? Mike D's style has never won a title and for all the points his teams score their D is terrible. I do hope they get players and become a great team again. Basketball is better when the Knicks and their passionate fans are involved with a winner.
13. Charlotte Bobcats. Intriguing team. Augustin, Raja Bell, Chandler, Diaw, Radmanovic, Wallace, Mohammed, and Felton running it is not bad. Gerald Henderson is an interesting rookie. This mix with proper defense could be a decent team. My guess is they have another year of growing pains and then if they gell they could fight for a playoff spot.
14. Indiana Pacers. Danny Granger and then the roster confuses me. What are they trying to do?? Dunleavy, Ford, Murphy, and Hibert are nice, but where is the scoring punch. Jim O'Brien has great Defensive tough teams, but they need points. Tyler Hansbrough could be a hard working solid scorer, but they have a lot of guys like that. Still there D will win them some games.
15. Milwaukee Bucks. Bogut must be huge. Redd is solid and Skiles is demanding. However, the talent is thin and will not be a factor.
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Legends99 Level: All-Star Since: Apr 1, 2009 |
Posted on: September 8, 2009 8:38 am
Score: 132
A much improved East |
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StRaCow Level: Amateur Since: Jul 20, 2009 |
Posted on: September 8, 2009 2:05 am
Score: 127
A much improved EastOk, I don't see what people have against Vince Carter. The Toronto thing was YEARS ago. What he's done these last several years in New Jersey was pretty impressive, especially in sacrificing part of his game to get the young guns more involved.
To me, the only thing Turk gives you over Carter is height. They both averaged virtually the same in rebounds and assists last year. I was surprised to find the assists nearly the same, especially since Hedo was on a vastly superior team, and after Jameer went down pretty much became the main playmaker on the Magic. 3pt% and fg% were pretty close too, but Carter edged Turk out in both of these stats. Carter brings you someone who can create his own shot opportunities, whereas Hedo was pretty awful at that. I doubt we'll see nearly as much dribbling out the shot clock, then tossing up an off-balance three this year, ala Hedo. Defensively I think it's a wash. Neither one is very good at defense, but playing with Howard will perhaps allow Carter to gamble a bit more on that end of the court, so I'm thinking he'll be at least as good as Hedo was. Then there's the intangibles. Carter is coming home -- Daytona is less than an hour's drive away. He's coming to a team where he doesn't have to be "the man", and might even be the third option. He doesn't have to be the team leader, as that is pretty much already covered by Nelson and Howard. He's also coming to the first team he's ever been on that had a realistic shot at the championship. He's nearing the end of his career, so the window of opportunity for a ring is closing. All of these factors will, I think, equate to a very focused and re-energized Vince Carter. Imo, a healthy Boston is the only team in the east that stacks up against Orlando. |
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Legends99 Level: All-Star Since: Apr 1, 2009 |
Posted on: September 3, 2009 5:50 pm
Score: 121
A much improved EastThose are not the head to head stats. When both are out there at the same time on the floor. Not the scoring averages against the team I did write that. He is out scored by six on Howard and surprisingly two by Perk. These are guys that he needs to handle when they are out there banging bodies. Shaq's 6 to 8 points against Mikki Moore or Martin Gortat really do not excite me. He needs to dominate those players. Apologized, I missed Carter, but still you might want to mention that a bit more then that seeing how it was there big splash.
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abpost Level: All-Star Since: Jul 9, 2007 |
Posted on: September 2, 2009 11:00 pm
Score: 91
A much improved Eastok, I looked it up... Shaq against Boston last year:
16 points/11 Rebounds/2 Assists/2 Blocks/0 Steals shooting 8/13 (61%) in 30:16 17 points/6 Rebounds/0 Assists/2 Blocks/0 Steals shooting 7/11 (64%) in 27:20 2 years ago he was 17/9/2/2/0 13/11/1/1/0 Pretty much right on his season averages Against the Magic: 19 points/11 Rebounds/0 Assists/2 Blocks/3 Steals shooting 9/13 (69%) in 35:24 He didn't play in the other game against Orlando 2 years ago he was 20/6/1/0/0 He didn't play the other game against Orlando this year either Those numbers are right on his season averages, so sorry... he doesn't play worse against Perkins/Howard And I also mentioned Carter here, but apparently you missed it since you said I forgot to mention him:Orlando lost Hedo and signed Bass, Carter and Barnes. |
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Legends99 Level: All-Star Since: Apr 1, 2009 |
Posted on: September 1, 2009 10:35 am
Score: 142
A much improved EastThe bottom ine is that players did not sign for fear of him being gone. Ariza and Artest both stated that. With his contract not signed players avoided Cleveland. Yes, Cleveland loves him and I hope he stays put, but his actions do not say I love Cleveland and am staying. The cap will be smaller next year meaning less money for him. The point he is forcing the Cavs to show they want to build a winner is a joke. Players are staying away because of his uncertainty and I believe he must know this. The possibility of him leaving is bigger then you think. Mo is a product of Lebron taking pressure off him and with the Bucks someone had to shoot. As far as Orlando being beat in 7, that is possible. Without Turk to engineer the pick and pop offense, I will be curious to see how Vunce does. Either way right now on paper Orlando is the more talented team.
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EagleEye87 Level: All-Star Since: Apr 19, 2009 |
Posted on: August 31, 2009 9:49 pm
Score: 137
A much improved EastPersonally I don't believe in this "spector of will this be it for Lebron" really exists. Correct me if I'm wrong on this , but wasn't his beef with the Cavaliers that the front office wasn't making big enough moves to surround him with championship-caliber help? And wouldn't getting Shaq at least have the appearance of that? (whether or not you believe Shaq is that answer). As far as I know, the city of Cleveland is absolutely infatuated with Lebron. I was in Cleveland in July, and on the side of every building there is a giant picture of Lebron, #23, or "Witness". I not aware that Lebron is disenchanted with this city at all, everyone loves him. I would be absolutely shocked if Lebron left for New York or any other place. He doesn't need a big market... HE'S LEBRON JAMES!!! He'd make millions in sponsership deals if he played in North Dakota.
And people don't give Mo Willaims enough credit, he contributed a lot last year. Obviously not even one game has been played yet, but I'd pick the new Cavs to beat the new Magic in a 7 game series. |
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Legends99 Level: All-Star Since: Apr 1, 2009 |
Posted on: August 31, 2009 9:39 pm
Score: 106
A much improved EastI agree about Detroit or Chicago creeping up, but these are just preseason rankings. A lot can happen. Injuries, trades, people over or under achieving. The quote that is why they play the games. I tried to throw out a few teams got a lot better and could be making the fight for seeds five through eight interesting.
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Legends99 Level: All-Star Since: Apr 1, 2009 |
Posted on: August 31, 2009 7:11 pm
Score: 123
A much improved EastMy turn and yes I am a Cavs Hater. However, I stand by my view of your team. |
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abpost Level: All-Star Since: Jul 9, 2007 |
Posted on: August 31, 2009 9:45 am
Score: 115
A much improved EastSigh, another Cavs hater that needs to be corrected. I get kind of sick of this. Let's go sentence by sentence
"The spector of will this be it for Lebron in Cleveland will effect the team." -Don't understand how this will effect the team. He's going to be playing as hard as ever. He's a competitor and he won't stop playing because he has to make a decision at the end of the year. That just doesn't make sense based on what he's done the last few years. The rest of the team won't really be effected, although it may put a little bit more pressure on them, which is probably a good thing with how loose they were at the end of the year. I just can't imagine how it will effect the team at all. "They were also not able to lure the talent the other two teams ahead of them were" and "While the Celtics and Magic surrounded their star with other stars the Cavs failed again to do so" - I just have to laugh at this. Orlando lost Hedo and signed Bass, Carter and Barnes. Those three are very equivalent to Shaq, Moon and Parker and the Cavs didn't lose anyone major of note. All starters are back. I'd say the Cavs offseason was just as good, if not better than the Magic. Who knows about Powe, so I won't include him although he could only be beneficial for the team. As for the Celtics, all they did was add Sheldon Williams and 'Sheed. I wouldn't really say they're surrounding their stars with "stars" as 'Sheed is kind of over the hill and Shelden Williams shouldn't even count. Shaq is just as big, if not bigger of an acquisition as 'Sheed, whether you think he's good or not, considering he averaged more PPG and RPG than 'Sheed did last year (12/7.4 against 17.8/8.4). I don't understand how you can say with a straight face that the Cavs had the worst offseason of the three. " Shaq was a terrible move. The aging slow footed Goliath will hinder Lebron's drives and Defensively he was a nonfactor for the past two years. To stop Howard they picked the wrong guy." -Sigh. He was THIRD TEAM ALL NBA LAST YEAR!!!!!!!!!!!!! I don't understand what people don't understand about that. HE WAS THE THIRD BEST CENTER IN THE NBA LAST SEASON!!! Maybe people will finally understand that if it's in caps. He's on a team that has a chance to win, and he'll use that as motivation to surpass Kobe again. He also averaged 17.8/8.4 per game, which isn't a "aging slow footed Goliath"'s numbers by any account. "Williams and West are nice complimentary players, but Cleveland again failed to sign a guy to run with Lebron" -I'll give you that on both counts. However, you can't expect a team to do everything in an off season when there's a salary cap. People forget that the Cavs had the best record in the league last year, MILES ahead of the Magic. When KG went down, the Cavs had pretty much the same record (within 2 games I think in one direction or the other) of the Celtics. If Williams or West hits their shot at the end of game 1, the Cavs are in the NBA finals. They were literally inches away from being considering the far and away East favorite and potentially making a better series out of the finals than the Magic did because they matched up better against the Lakers (although I doubt they would have won). The Cavs SWEPT THE FIRST TWO ROUND OF THE PLAYOFFS!!! I can't believe that the 3rd best team in the East could have done that, especially considering it took the Magic 6 against the terrible 76ers and the Celtics 7 very close games against the Bulls missing their 2nd best player (not even their best by most people's account). Also, saying with no Garnett the Celtics won 62 is kind of funny considering they had him for the majority of the season. |
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EagleEye87 Level: All-Star Since: Apr 19, 2009 |
Posted on: August 30, 2009 8:08 pm
Score: 144
A much improved EastI think the Bulls and Pistons will be better then predicted. I thought the Bulls underachieved in the regular season last year, so they have to get it going early. The Pistons have too much talent not to contend, but I'm not sure how they rotate Gordon, Charlie, Rip and Stuckey.
The Sixers always seem to make a mess of the regular season and overachieve in the playoffs. They won't get away with that this year. Overall I agree with your thoughts about the East being much improved. With the exception of Charlotte, Indiana, and Milwaukee, I think anybody can beat anbody on any given night. Everyone seems to but Boston, Orlando, Cleveland at the top of the East, and I think all 3 should at least be in the conversation of title contenders. |










Carter brings you someone who can create his own shot opportunities, whereas Hedo was pretty awful at thatI do not know what you were watching this past playoffs, but please watch the seven game Boston series and tell me this guy, playing the 2 does not create his own shot. The man was a killer.
Then there's the intangibles. Carter is coming home Daytona is less than an hour's drive away. He's coming to a team where he doesn't have to be "the man", and might even be the third option. He doesn't have to be the team leader, as that is pretty much already covered by Nelson and Howard. He's also coming to the first team he's ever been on that had a realistic shot at the championship. He's nearing the end of his career, so the window of opportunity for a ring is closing. All of these factors will, I think, equate to a very focused and re-energized Vince Carter.
That is not always a good thing. The man is easily distracted as it is and now in that enviorment of pressure. He never was a team leader and never will be because he has zero desire to be one and that goes all the way back to Toronto. The way he has played I question his desire to play for a title. What has he done to show you he is a player like that. Vince reminds me of Dominique Wilkins. Great player, but where are the intangibles like drive? Great players make their teams better by helping teamates be better. Like KG helps Pierce be a better defensive player because he is waiting in the paint and I never felt that with Vince. Maybe that is why despite being available, only Orlando really showed interest in such a talented player.